May18 Update Part 1 – Chassis plates

It’s been a few months since my previous post, and a lot has changed recently… been working hard on nailing down options on the Mugen that I personally feel improve the car. I’m gonna do this update in a couple of parts, to avoid going too long with the posts…

Now I was meaning to do a video blog for ease (and probably will still try to.. if so will link it in later), but actually just wanted to have a bit of a brain dump first and work from there.

So anyway, since the last update, I have had a few big meetings under the belt. First up was the Queensland State titles, held at the excellent New England Park raceway. All in all it was a great showing for Mugen Seiki Australia, with Jeff Hammon taking the win in ITSC Modified, and Pete Beckett the win in ISTC 13.5t. Further to that, MTC1’s were the most numerous in both A-finals, 3 in Modified (including yours truly) and 4 in ISTC 13.5t.

Personally, I was very happy with how the weekend progressed. Started out with the setup I had run at XRS, with a couple of updated carbon parts (will come back to that shortly), and worked mainly on power and braking, as well as small alterations to geometry. Also took the opportunity to compare the bodyshells as well. Managed to qualify 9th in ISTC modified, and after a bit of luck in the finals, progressed up one spot to finish 8th.

Next up was the XRS round 3 (I skipped round 2 being away on hols in Europe) down at the Kambah track in the ACT. Moving into the winter months now, it was a lot cooler conditions, so had to work to adapt my setup a bit. Saturday wasn’t so great, what seemed like an innocuous glance on a steel barrier ripping a screw the bottom of the chassis plate. This lost a bit of track time, and I struggled to make up for it. Managed to qualify 3rd on the sunday, and ended up 3rd, although the finals got cut short due to rain. But overall, car has been working well.. and the developments I’ll delve into next.

Chassis Flex

The first item I’ve been playing with in development has been the flex of the car. From the outset, I’ve had my concerns with the shapes of the chassis, top and rear shock tower. These parts were the first in my sights to have a play with. Now I’m only going to talk chassis for now, as that’s the biggest area. Look out for the top-deck and shock towers in part 2.

As a side note, Paul over at Bezerk RC has been my go to for cutting carbon parts. Good quality, and excellent speedy service.

Chassis Plates

In my opinion, the chassis plate as standard is a bit unconventional, and from previous ‘projects’ I know that the shape can be critical to getting a car right. Overlaying the standard chassis with Xray and Yokomo, you can clearly see the difference between them, and the MTC1 plate.

MTC1 in purple, T4 in Orange

MTC1 in Purple, BD8 in Yellow

My main concern is the areas circled in red, the chassis cut outs, which is where the chassis doe a lot of it’s flexing about. On the MTC1, the front section is too narrow, and elongated, whilst the rear cut’s in far too much. Too much flex can be a bad thing, it can make the car feel inconsistent, and actually loose grip as it unloads. I was finding that to get the car even remotely settled, I would have to always run the rear most motor mount screw (the one that needs the 1mm spacer) to lock the rear down as much as possible. Even then, it would still get snappy.

Chassis V1

So to test out my theory, I started out having a Yokomo style chassis made up, as this, IMO, is the car that is closet to the Mugen. Can see the differences between Standard and V1 in the image below (standard in purple, V1 in green);

V1 compared to standard

As you can see, the shape has been adapted from the BD8 shape, but keeping the ears for the droop screws. Also made an adjustment to the diff cut-outs, elongating the one under the front diff, and splitting the rear into two. And took the opportunity to remove the outer set of servo mount holes (I only use the central ones), and moved the steering posts back 1mm to allow for a different range for Ackerman.

Front end – Std vs V1

Rear End – Std vs V1

In testing terms, I followed my usual pattern, in wanting to back to back the Std vs the V1. Here having two cars was a complete saviour, and allowed a proper comparison of the two types. Straight away it was obvious that the V1 was more consistent, and gave a lot more mid corner grip. Gone was the occasionally snappy rear end behaviour, replaced with it being very locked in, too much in fact. I had a few meetings experimenting, trying to free the car up more, even going to extremes of removing two sets of rear most motor mount screws (see below), but still couldn’t quite get the right balance.

Removing screws to free up V1

So I went drastic, breaking out the dremel to hand adjust the chassis….

Chassis V1.5

.. and so V1 became V1.5! This moved the chassis design more to a T4 shape, which has a deeper rear flex point more forward, and the front flex point further rearward. I achieved by printing out an outline copy of the T4, sticking to the V1, and carefully using a sanding wheel to get to the shape needed. Also removed the rear diff cut out brace, to try and encourage a little more flex (and the fact that in the low diff position, the diff hit the brace…) Looking at the pictures, you can see the difference between the V1 and V1.5.

V1 vs V1.5

Front end changes

Rear End changes

On track… found the balance. The deeper rear cut helped to unlock the rear (but not to the inconsistent level of the standard plate), and the car was much easier to drive and more consistent. I couldn’t obviously back to back with a V1 (the second V1 had some errors meaning I couldn’t mount it properly), but overall the feel was much improved, and lap-times seemed to be an improvement. Combined with the revised top deck (more on that later on..) the balance was good. [note; this is all now without using the rear most motor mount screw, to help free up the car)

Chassis V2

So with the hand-adjusted version proven the right path, I decided that a properly cut version was needed, so along comes V2. Again, this was influenced by the T4 shape, although over the V1.5, I moved the rear flex point forward 5mm or so, to try and keep the flex points in the same place relative to the suspension mounts as on the Xray. Shortened the front diff cut out, and made the rear a little smaller.

V2 vs Std

I also elected to have the motor recesses cut a little deeper compared to the V1, leaving only 0.5mm under the motor, rather than the 1.5 or so of the Standard plate. I actually was in a bit of a panic to get this in time for the QLD titles, so bolted it on the car straight away with zero testing and ran with it for that event. I didn’t give it much thought at the time, but after the event, something didn’t feel quite ‘right’ with the car. Really hard to put a finger on, but seemed less settled, and not quite as good as the V1.5.

Somewhat unfortunately, I did get the opportunity to test V1.5 and V2 back to back at the ACT XRS round as mentioned before. Having pulled a screw through the V2, I mounted the V1.5 back onto the car. And the balance was better, more settled, and consistent. Seems the small changes for the V2 hadn’t worked as intended, with the thinner recess, and moved rear flex point making the car a little worse to drive. So V3 was needed anyway,

Chassis V3

So V3, which is basically a properly cut version of V1.5, with the rear flex point moved further back. Did take the opportunity to further refine the diff cuts, and tweak the battery mount screw holes to remove some play. Also specified the motor recess to be less deep than V2 (1mm thick), to add a bit more meat back in that area.

V3 vs Std

On track, the V1.5 feeling was back. Car has a lovely balance, with good, but not extreme rear rotation. Also has consistency, with a positive but not overly aggressive front, albeit this is also in conjunction with the revised 1pc top decks (see Part2).

So for the moment, this is what I’m happy with, a worthy improvement, IMO, to the MTC1.

And that’s it for part 1… I’ll follow up shortly with Part 2, that will be all about the other stuff I’ve been trialling!